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Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Yo sup guys, just got here.

With Windkeeper flipping as Vanillaiser, I was suspecting that Dean would opt to jail another target, leaving me wide open last night unless there was another protection role covering my back. It seems like his play paid off, nobody dies, and we have a prime target for mafia today. Good job everyone.

I think what everyone wants to find out is what the result of the investigation of the last night was. Anyways, since Dean chose another target, I was able to successfully investigate a player last night. I targeted Invisi and the result says that he is pro town.
The reason I decided to target him again was mainly through gut feeling. After the bus driver play back in Day 2, he wasn't really confirmed as a townie and everyone just bought his 'hey guys there's an arsonist cuz im a firefighter' claim so I felt I had to reinvestigate. Otherwise there wasn't a strong enough case against him if he did flip mafia.
20/01/2017 12:11:02 PM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Occam's Razor is telling me that the most likely explanation for this fiasco is:

- Windkeeper is lying, and
- Hydro is memeing (but not necessarily lying)

We are caught in yet another position where town is hesitant to lynch a proven scum hit. Perhaps I'm in no position to speak since I was on the other side of this argument yesterday, but seeing as how the day eventually played out, why won't we go for the simplest and best play? Think about it, the outcomes of today if Windkeeper is miller is:

- We lynch him, he flips miller. We lose a townie which sucks, but we're far ahead enough atm that it's not a major loss. Plus, being miller, he should've been aware that he was going to get lynched sooner or later, more sooner than later. And why didn't he claim early?
- We don't lynch him, I guess we keep a townie(?). Unless he lucks out with his night guesses, he's as good as a VT.

But if he's mafia:
- We lynch him, he flips scum. Best outcome in this scenario
- We don't lynch him. Worst outcome possible, we just let a scum live for one more night.

Extra and Dean mentioned earlier that the risk/reward is skewed towards a Windkeeper lynch. I know how much you guys love taking risks (/s) so why are you hesitating now to take the least risky play?
Also it's amazing how Windkeeper's convoluted explanations conveniently lines up for his defense. Like cmon really?
19/01/2017 12:25:51 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
dean said:
So Hydro's reaction was completely bizarre/suss in many ways but risk/reward does favour a Windkeeper0 lynch.
So I will completely ignore all of that and Vote: ThatLaggyPerson, when people sign up for these games they're sort of expected to actually post in them Ganondorf

Sorry dean, the meme would have been applicable at the start of the game, but not at this point in time heh
If people are concerned with the hydro/windkeeper predicament, hydro can be lynched next day if windkeeper somehow flips miller bookie
18/01/2017 2:35:32 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
This reminds me of the time when Aero fakeclaimed as a Vengeful Townie, complete with flavour text. The worst part is town almost bought into it LOL

I wouldn't put it past him to include a ridiculous role in this game, but Miller Bookie takes it to another level...
17/01/2017 11:10:39 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
tbh this sounds like the most farfetched shit ever and idk wtf to think after hearing that lmao
17/01/2017 10:56:50 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Yeah Bijou I'm thinking that the best play for mafia at this point is to vanillaise me, but I still get one more investigate unless they have a roleblocker.
17/01/2017 9:57:32 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Luminescent said:
I will also add. Ghostbone may have appeared as pro-town, but the possibility of Godfather is there. Godfathers are immune to Cop investigations and come up as pro-town. Not saying he is, just that it's possible.

That's a possibility worth considering, but the only way to out him at that point is to pressure him. Unless he's high on a lot of people's scum list, it'll be better to redirect the town's effort on more suss townies.
17/01/2017 9:56:17 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
No worries, I'm dead either way, and I think a power role for a scum is a worthwhile trade.
17/01/2017 9:53:58 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Don't think about it too much, as you mentioned, if Windkeeper flips town I'm next on the chopping block. If mafia doesn't get to me first lol.

Vote: Windkeeper0
17/01/2017 9:51:28 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Luminescent said:
Can I ask why you investigated Invisi?

I'll say my reasoning as well once I hear from you.

If you look through my investigation list, you can see the pattern that I was targetting players who are seemingly pro-town, but not as vocal during the day phase. Invisi struck me as someone who seemed to be hiding something, but it was going to be hard to build a case against him due to his relative inactivity. I also have this far-fetched theory that him and Hydro are in cahoots; they want town to think they are antagonistic against each other, but it's actually a cover-up to draw away attention from each other. Take that as you will.
17/01/2017 9:42:37 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Alrighty then, I guess it comes down to this. Before I reveal what I know, let me just state the following for the record:

I was adamantly against a mass roleclaim because I believe that I was a prime target for Mafia if my role was to be revealed. I was especially adamant when it was revealed that there is a vanillaiser in the game, since that is a role that can bypass protection roles. This is important.

I also seemed to "hold back" because I did not want to bring attention towards myself as much as possible. In my current predicament, I feel it is better for me to be seen as a bit suss than overly pro-town. However, this has backfired and I am now seen as overly suss.

And yes Lumi, #2 is correct, I don't want to die.

With those said, I will now reveal that I am a Town-Aligned Cop. Basically I can investigate someone each night, and I can discover their alignment. Three results are possible; pro-town, anti-town or no result if I get roleblocked. It's Luminescent's investigative ability minus the x-shot limitation.

I investigated three different people over the course of the game. Here are the results:

Night 1: I investigated Ghostbone and the results say that he is pro-town. That's why I mistakenly left him out of the non-confirmed townies; it was a slip-up on my part.
Night 2: I investigated Invisi. We all know what happened on day 2; Bijou bus drivered Invisi and Dean, so I got Dean's result as anti-town. Some of you might think this is too convenient and that there is foul play involved, but the exact same scenario happened to me during the Smashbox game when CubT and I investigated the same person. It's not unlikely to happen.
Night 3: Here's the info that I was hesitating to reveal. I investigated Windkeeper and the results come back... as anti-town. Unless there's some convoluted game set-up which screws up this result, he's most definitely scum.

As I reveal my role, I'm afraid that this is the last time that I am able to use my power, since due to the power of my role, I am the next most likely target for the Mafia. With Bijou's role gone, not even a protective role can save me since a vanillaiser can neutralise my power role. Now you can understand why I was initially hesitant to come out, since the Mafia have all they need to take me out. I surmise that there may also be a roleblocker in play here, not impossible with the amount of town power roles running around. I don't expect to live past tonight nor have my powers, so I hope you make this count.

If you still think I'm lying, you can always lynch me, since I don't expect to live to the next day anyways. If (when) I end up flipping town, you'll realise that I was telling the truth and you'll know what to do from there on.
17/01/2017 9:32:18 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
cjeccjec said:
JLo, could this information in anyway confirm your alignment? Yes, I'm sure you've thought it all through, but like if it can then you might as well spit it out.

Most likely it can, but the issue is that it can either put town at an advantage or a disadvantage depending on how things play out.

Maribro said:
JLo said:
Bijou said:
What a tease.

well only you and Extra were the only ones who made an effort to make me spill. idk what to say to the rest, other than to pressure me harder lul


Well I mean I started this train on you in the first place so idk how I'm not pressuring you. Also, I'm not dropping my vote because you say you have some tantalising information so it shall remain till you tell us a bit more or explain yourself better.

I'm curious as to what you found in my defense to be unsatisfactory. So you want me to either spill or explain why I'm hiding info?
17/01/2017 8:38:19 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Bijou said:
What a tease.

well only you and Extra were the only ones who made an effort to make me spill. idk what to say to the rest, other than to pressure me harder lul
17/01/2017 7:02:54 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Bijou said:
KiwifruitKoala said:
I think JLo's defense was pretty solid, but that's probably just me. I wanna see what everyone else has to say.


Of course it is, he's a smart player and smart players are very capable of mounting strong defenses lol.

Rather than having Jlo defend himself I'm actually more interested if he has learned anything with his power the last 3 nights. Besides my strong player theory the other reason I'm on him at the moment is because there is no evidence of him using any pro town powers yet.

Do you know anything interesting that we don't know so far Jlo? Have you made any interesting plays? Not saying you have to role claim or anything but you must have been able to do something interesting during the night by now.


I'm interested that you're going for that angle. For now, I've found out something interesting last night. I know I'm not the only townie here that's keeping secrets atm, so I'm weighing out the pros and cons of divulging what I know. I can also reveal that Maribro is somewhat correct; that what I know so far has been affecting the way I'm playing this game.
17/01/2017 12:57:16 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Bijou said:
Tbh the biggest reason I'm on your case Jlo is due to my mafia leader theory (where I believe the game is balanced and therefore the mafia have at least one strong player to guide them).

By process of elimination I'm down to you or extra. What say you to this?

If it comes down to that, I guess it becomes a case of my word vs Extra's. That is, assuming that one of us left is the mafia. You know that there are more possibilities though. Starting with:

One of us is the mafia: Each of us has to present our case why the other one is scum. This would work if we believe the other one is actually Mafia, except that I don't think Extra is scum. He's been doing pro-town plays so far, and if he does flip scum and ends up winning, I won't fault him since he's doing a good job so far of earning the town's trust.

So then if I'm not arguing that Extra is scum, that means I'm scum by process of elimination. Doing so goes against my best interest, and you're to judge whether I'm being genuine or I'm doing some next level mindgames. I'm interested in Extra's take on this.

Both of us are mafia: It is possible that both of us are playing the long con, but I want to hear from Extra before expanding on this further.

Neither of us are mafia: I think this is the most probable conclusion that you can get out of this. Without the intervention of the mods, it is possible that the Mafia team is composed of newer/non-regular players. It's also worth having a look who is left out of the non-confirmed townies aside from Extra and myself:

Maribro
Windkeeper
Hydropimp
Spacejam
Cjeccjec
LuminousLucas
ThatLaggyPerson

I know that the first four have participated in games before, and can be classified as experienced players. The last 2 are claiming roles but their allegiance cannot be confirmed at this point in time. This is my first time playing with cjeccjec, but I think he has played in games before but I'm not sure. It is possible that with your assumption of 3 scum, there are 2 experienced players on this list + 1 of either laggy or lucas which can form the Mafia faction. This can be a balanced team, a team which fits your criteria of a team which is arranged by the mods only if your theory of balance of powers holds weight. But I'm just spitballing at this point and it's just conjecture at this point in time.
16/01/2017 10:33:32 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Hello,

It seems that a lynch train has been started on me so here I am. To be perfectly honest, I've been watching the thread since the first vote against me was cast, and I was just waiting on more people to chime in. I think I've seen enough to be able to make a case for myself. If anyone else wants to bandwagon then go right ahead and jump in (as long as you have a good reason to lol).

With regards to me buddying up with Spacejam:
I've said multiple times that I'll reread his posts in order to me to give a clear assessment of him. It's probably not good on my part that I haven't done it sooner, so I went ahead and did it. Well after doing so, what can I say... His posts are 50% encouraging discussion (mainly by getting inactives to post) and 50% memery. The latter half makes him hard to read so far, but getting people to post is generally seen as a pro-town behaviour. He also tries to theorize game set-ups; it can be good in some instances, but if you try to complicate things, it can often lead town astray. Leaning towards pro-town atm

With regards to me on the LuminousLucas train:
I've stated my stance on him multiple times within the thread, and I was hoping that I do not need to reiterate. However, this was not the case and I was seen as scummy for not doing so. So then let's reiterate then. First, from page 7:
JLo said:
People keep talking about 'gathering information' and all that jazz for day 1, but the fact of the matter is, unless people make an effort to poke and prod, mafia can just hang back and lurk, and town will accomplish jack diddly squat.


JLo said:
Also ffs guys stop using the "I'm bad at the game" card as a defense. It makes you look less credible and other players are less inclined to find weight in your statements in the future.


And this was my stance on players who parrot repeatedly. This was originally addressed to Laggy, but I referenced this when I voted for Lucas again.
JLo said:
But aside from those statements, his posts have been of very little substance and gives the impression of a player who doesn't want to give a lot away. I know this has been said a lot of times already, but town should contribute whatever they can to the discussion. Throwing out simple observations should be more than enough, and may prove to be beneficial in the long run. I think that by parroting opinions instead, he's reducing the chance of incriminating himself.


In short, I feel that he was incredibly suss not only because of his less than excellent plays, but also his hesitance to commit to anything remotely risky. With his claim of Town Voyeur, this opinion may change.

With regards to claims of me "holding back":


You guys give me too much credit lol. I'm not as good as you think I am of a player, in spite of what my past Mafia results and experience may suggest. I am prone to glancing over important details, and I am prone to making mistakes, as seen in the attempted Laggy lynch and maybe my voting stance in the previous night. That's why Mafia is a team game; I can't do this by myself, and I have to rely on my teammates to win.
16/01/2017 9:20:00 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Aerodrome said:
Oops, I'm a bit late but by the way we're modkilling Corvid. Hope you don't mind. xx


Can he get blacklisted as well pls ty ty
15/01/2017 11:32:28 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Hello folks, glad to see that the previous night phase didn't go the full 48 hours. Lucas targeting Extra last night is hella suss yea, I wanna hear from both of them. Especially suss since everyone knows that there was going to be no deaths leading into last night.

Vote:LuminousLucas
15/01/2017 11:24:33 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
I guess we could agree on what our play's going to be tomorrow. It's looking like Lucas is the one up next on the chopping block, unless new information is obtained tonight.
13/01/2017 12:00:45 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
KiwifruitKoala said:
I am a/the (I don't really know) Town-Aligned Tracker... I didn't use my abiity Night 2 because I was binging YouTube.


KiwifruitKoala said:
I didn't use my abiity Night 2 because I was binging YouTube.


KiwifruitKoala said:
I didn't use my abiity Night 2 because I was binging YouTube.


KiwifruitKoala said:
I didn't use my abiity Night 2 because I was binging YouTube.


KiwifruitKoala said:
I was binging YouTube.


...
12/01/2017 9:33:51 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
My main issue with not postponing Dean's lynch is that if we don't obtain info on scum tonight, we're stuck in yet another day phase with a worrying issue: not enough people contributing to the discussion. Unless we agree on something like a mass roleclaim next day, I feel that we won't be able to make a lot of progress with the town's current situation. Pressuring someone else today lets us have Dean lined up as a lynch next day, a time where information may be the scarcest due to the absence of night kills. In my opinion, nailing a scum tonight and deciding whether to lynch the scum or Dean is a luxury problem.
11/01/2017 11:54:20 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Kinda funny how a confirmed scum is less of a lynch priority than a lot of the townies here lol. Nonetheless, choo choo.

Vote:LuminousLucas
11/01/2017 7:20:14 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Bijou said:
We're better off still killing Dean today. What if we learn the identity of a mafia during night 3? Who do we kill then? Dean or the mafia?

Killing someone confirmed anti town today is the optimal play for sure.


What are the realistic chances of that though? And even in the off chance that it happens, what are the chances that the person who has this info comes forward?
10/01/2017 5:33:41 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
Bijou got vanillaised because of the impact of his night 1 play. No doubt that if more players with similarly powerful roles (and plays) were to come out, they're a prime target for the vanillaiser. I guess if a mass roleclaim is to be done, then they'll have harder job of assessing who to target, in exchange of having basically a hitlist.
I think Corvid's gonna get replaced or endgamed one way or another due to his previous infractions. I don't see him as a main target for now.
10/01/2017 2:21:11 AM

Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | Night 5 | Deadline 22:00 AEDT 23/01/17

Victoria Kirby
JLo
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Wii U: thatdudejono
It was a memey statement at the very gist of it. If you really want me to give my assessment of Spacejam, I'll have a look through his recent posts, because aside from his posts when he was on his medicine, I find him quite hard to read atm. Hard to say whether which side he's leaning on. I guess it's because of his relative inactivity?
10/01/2017 1:46:12 AM

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